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APS Redistricting: East Lake Advocates To Stay In Grady High School Cluster

To be removed from the Grady cluster makes East Lake's children sacrifice again to benefit others.

Editor's note: The East Lake Neighbors Community Association issued its response to the demographers' redistricting options to Atlanta Public Schools officials last week. Kat Lindholm, ELNCA's president, shared with East Atlanta Patch the letter and position statement submitted to APS superintendent Erroll B. Davis Jr.

Dear Superintendent Davis,

As the president of the East Lake Neighbors Community Association and proud East Lake resident for the past 7 years I write to you in hopes that you will hear the concerns of my community.  I am deeply concerned of the appearance of a systematic disregard of our community by the Atlanta Public School System.  Both current redistricting plans recently presented will do irrevocable damage to our children and our community’s future.  In every plan it appears that the guiding principles you put forth to facilitate this process have been pushed aside when it has come to the  children of East Lake.  With these concerns comes a call to action.  We as concerned neighbors have come together with a position statement and plan to address the glaring inequities to our children's' education and Atlanta Public Schools obligation to provide them something better.

I have attached our position statement and I believe that you will find that while we are expressing our concerns and demands that we come to you with solutions. The top demand is that East Lake must remain in the Grady cluster.   Taking our children out of Grady would be an additional blow to a community that continues to ask the children to sacrifice our schools so that others may prosper.  It is not acceptable any longer to treat the children of less affluent areas with such disregard.  The second demand is that we need APS commitment to help East Lake, Kirkwood, Edgewood and all other neighboring communities reconstitute Sammy E. Coan Middle School.  The commitment is here on our side, we need APS to do their part with funding, proper staff, and a strong, respected leader at the helm.  Finally, with the proposed closure of East Lake Elementary, it only makes common sense that all of our children would attend school with the one neighborhood that we share a border, Kirkwood.   It is unconscionable that we would ask our small, elementary school children to cross over major state highways and Interstate 20 to go to school.  That is neither walkable nor workable.  We know you want better for our children and we have a plan and a position to help you get there.

I implore you to review our plan and ask that you give us the opportunity to discuss with you further.

Regards,

Kat Lindholm

President, East Lake Neighbors Community Association

IM Confused February 21, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Strange. In December East Lake asked to go to Jackson.
http://eastatlanta.patch.com/articles/the-aps-redistricting-debate-east-lakes-official-position
Grady Parent February 21, 2012 at 11:39 pm
Sorry East Lake and Kirkwood, there is not room for you guys at Grady. Look at the data as this is not sustainable for the long term, also one of the principles.
That is why we have almost 1000 signatures in the following petition. http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/renewedgradycluster SPARK, Morningside, Lin and Hope-Hill, ONLY!
Péralte Paul (Editor) February 22, 2012 at 12:29 am
I just spoke with the East Lake Prez. The neighborhood, responding to the Options A & B, wants to remain in the Grady cluster. East Lake and Kirkwood attended Crim High High School until 2005 when it converted to an alternative school. At the time, East Lake was put in the Grady cluster (The Villages of East Lake went to Jackson). The East Lake neighborhood, the prez told me, believes staying in the cluster that keeps the two neighborhoods connected since they have shared historical ties, makes the best sense for their children.
Good for the Goose February 22, 2012 at 02:04 am
(Read: Sorry schools that contribute a significant percentage of the Black students, there's no room for you at Grady.) Of course, I wonder if Grady parent is also in favor of saying Sorry Lin, there is not room for you guys at Inman. It's not sustainable.
Both are wrong-headed.
phaedrus February 22, 2012 at 02:16 am
Grady Parent was criticizing Kirkwood for making a recommendation that impacts other neighborhoods yesterday, now he/she is flaunting a petition that does the same thing. I love the ONLY part. That about sums up the "keep it the same" crowd's philosophy.
As Good for the Goose points out, your theory provides significant rationale for the Lin to Coan idea.
Good for the Goose February 22, 2012 at 02:42 am
"SPARK, Morningside, Lin and Hope-Hill, ONLY!" can also be read as "Reduce Grady's Black population so that it is no longer a majority NOW! (It'll be easier to drop the Hope-Hill kids later.)"
Of course, it doesn't matter because many of those neighborhood kids currently consider private schools. So this is an argument about the recession: Too expensive to drop $35K for two kids in private school if you can redistrict poor kids (which all happen to be Black) out of a small high school. Gosh, I wonder if there are any laws against that. Don't worry Atlanta's the City that's too busy to hate. I am sure no one on a majority Black BOE will notice...
Grady Parent February 22, 2012 at 03:07 am
Goose, I get your point, but the rest of Atlanta is very black, also. Do you cry foul because of that? What is interesting is that, obviously, there are students at Jackson and other high schools now, who is claiming foul play or threatening a DOE Civil Rights complaint for their under performing schools?
I also don't follow the claim by EL, and even Kirkwood informally, that if they get zoned to Maynard Jackson, it will be their third move. Can you explain that hyperbole statment? In all seriousness, what would be your solution? Do you support using the 30 million SPLOST for a midtown school? Or, will boundary changes be inevitable?
Good for the Goose February 22, 2012 at 03:29 am
Not sure what your first paragraph means. The question is not whether the City is "very black", but rather the move would seek to change the demographics of the school in a way that reduces the Black population wrongly. It is a separate issue of whether the Black schools have well-funded schools. (Well maybe the same issue, actually. Resources should be equally shared.)
First from Crim, then to Grady, then to Crim. That's three. Given the growth in North Atlanta (including Midtown and Buckhead), I think a separate school would have to be built for Buckhead. As for Inman, keep its current levels. Big concern, don't send any kids to any lower performing schools. Build a newer school for overcrowding. And work to improve Jackson, Coan, King/Kennedy, etc.
IM Confused February 22, 2012 at 03:42 am
So what changed between December and now? In the previous East Lake position, Jackson was fine with them -- so long as Mary Lin came with them (minus Inman Park, who back then they proposed to be zoned to Hope-Hill).
Now all of a sudden it's "glaring inequities" and their top priority is going to Grady. O4W has a legitimate claim to Inman Middle School, but to so obviously crib from their arguments in order to advance a position that is at odds with East Lake's own prior position makes me wonder who actually advanced this idea and lobbied for it. I think I may know.
East Lake Father February 22, 2012 at 04:13 am
@i'm confused, what happened actually was more involvement and discussion among the East Lake community. There are many ELers who didn't get involved until the second set of maps were released. This statement is much more representative of the community as a whole.
East Lake Resident February 22, 2012 at 04:20 am
Grady parent
I will do you one better 1.) Crim - closed our neighborhood HS and became APS alternative campus. 2.) Grady- zoned to Grady as the compromise for losing our local HS 3.) Jackson- proposed in this rezoning process just 5 yrs after being rezoned to Grady 4.) Temporary Alternative Campus- while renovations are made to Jackson HS So that is actually 4 seperate HS campus for our students and community in less than 6 years! No other APS community has been asked to make such sacrifices in the past 6 years and further more in the history of APS. Please someone provide evidence to prorve me wrong?!!!! IM Confused East Lake came together as a community and decided that enough was enough and it is time for APS to spread the pain elsewhere in the system rather than going to the traditional go to pawn to make yet another sacrifice hence the change of position!
IM Confused February 22, 2012 at 04:23 am
@East Lake Father - perhaps so. But it does appear as though O4W may have possibly been involved in those discussions.
Chris Murphy February 22, 2012 at 11:39 am
I don't follow the claim that EL has been zoned to 4 different HS's in 6 years; to my knowledge, it has been Crim (until 2005), Grady (through 2012), and now some proposals would send EL to Jackson: that's 3 changes, in 7 years.
The redistricting is being done because there are schools over capacity in some areas, and some under capacity in others. The ones over capacity will get changed at their periphery- that's just common sense. EL & Kirkwood are at Grady's eastern edge, so I can definitely see why they would be zoned for Jackson (Lake Claire & Candler Park would be next in line). This process takes citizens' and parents' eyes off the prize: a fully functioning district, system-wide. If APS hadn't dropped the ball so often at so many locations, this process would not be as controversial nor emotional. We should be having these meetings to push APS to get qualified, competent leadership at the schools, and effective teachers in every classroom. The rezoning is a sideshow.
Good for the Goose February 22, 2012 at 12:28 pm
3 in 7 is a lot for a family that has to go all the way through. There are no small shortage of families at East Lake have always sent their kids to public schools and are the families of longstanding APS graduates.
As for the redistricting, it's the main show. APS has not shown any ability to improve schools -- hence a district wide cheating scandal whose epicenter was East Lake. To use distance as a reason to redistrict schools, means necessarily sending kids from a performing school to an underperforming school with the argument that APS should fix those underperforming schools. When in fact, APS has shown no ability to do so. Who suffers: The kids. And the most heated debates in every redistricting conversation, not in Buckhead, involve explaining why is it OK to take an overwhelming Black population of students, which East Lake and Toomer high school students are, and send them from an integrated school, to an overwhelmingly segregated and underperforming school. Because if distance is the metric, then ML should be required to leave Inman. So what's good for the goose.... But both are wrong. If kids -- remember these are kids -- are at a performing school, we should not sentence them to a lower performing school, under the hope that APS will one day get its act together. Those kids bear the burden of that and should not.
Grady Parent February 22, 2012 at 12:30 pm
@East Lake Resident,
1.) Crim - closed our neighborhood HS and became APS alternative campus. (AND KIRKWOOD AND EAST LAKE WERE RE ZONED TO GRADY. 2.) Grady- zoned to Grady as the compromise for losing our local HS (FALSE!!!! HOW CAN GRADY BE ZONED TO GRADY? THIS IS THE FILLER FALSE ONE!) 3.) Jackson- proposed in this rezoning process just 5 yrs after being rezoned to Grady (FALSE! IT IS 7 YEARS LATER) 4.) Temporary Alternative Campus- while renovations are made to Jackson HS (NO SITE HAS BEEN DETERMINED. IT MAY BE AT COAN FOR A YEAR, SO EVEN CLOSER TO EAST LAKE AND LESS OF A "BURDEN" OF GOING TO JACKSON OR GRADY FOR THAT MATTER) THE TOTAL NUMBER OF YEAR IS 8, NOT 6. PLEASE DON'T STRETCH THE TRUTH IN YOUR ARGUMENTS TO SWAY THE SYSTEM.
Tank February 22, 2012 at 01:49 pm
In the end, we all want what's best for our own personal situation. If that corresponds with a position stated by leadership or one of the "guiding principles" then we flaunt that to others (usually in surrounding neighborhoods, that stand to lose just as much as we do). This type of competition-based in-fighting will not solve APS' problems.
Luckily, Superintendent Davis has stated that he will not be swayed by "noise"and that no one should consider themselves "safe"... I'm going back to eating my popcorn and listening. :P
Grady Parent February 22, 2012 at 01:56 pm
@Goose, come on. 3 moves in 7 years is incorrect. It would be 2 in 7 years. Like I said, it is very likely that the relocation site would be Coan or King, both closer than Grady. It likely would not apply to students already enrolled at Grady, as the would be unfair. It should only apply to rising high school students. How is that for a compromise. Remember, EL students were at Crim five years ago for decades, back when it was Murphy High School. Your arguement is that students would be harmed if moved to Coan or Jackson, or any other non Inman and Grady school in this area. Who is advocated for thos student in those other schools that are being harmed now? I get it is easier to go to Drew, but that effects the health of you neighborhood, overall, by not supporting Coan in some fashion.
Following your logic about not harming students, then APS should turn a blind eye to addresses and let all the kids into Inman and Grady and add more portables or use an annex site, just as Druid Hills does. That might satisfy KW and El. Put an Inman annex at Coan. Take half of their teachers and administration to start and build it up from there. Fair is fair. The goose, gander and goslings should be happy. These flocks can do extras together and play sports, etc. Inman would finally have access to a full football and soccer fields. Yes, keep them both at Grady.
Maggie Stewart February 22, 2012 at 02:20 pm
Grady Parent, So far the ONLY school mentioned by anyone with APS or the School Board in any public meeting for the temporary relocation of Jackson has been in the northwest corner of the city - the farthest possible point from the neighborhoods that feed into Jackson. Now, they also add the caveat that nothing has been decided. This is one of my major problems with moving Kirkwood and East Lake to Jackson right now - the total lack of planning on the part of APS and the total lack of respect for the parents asking for a plan.
I know some neighborhoods have mentioned using King as a relocation cite, but I have not heard anyone suggest Coan. So, if you know something official from APS that really makes it "likely that the relocation site would be Coan or King" please share. Otherwise, it just seems like you're trying to sell us a load of, well, you know, and trying to make it sound like our fears are totally baseless.
Good for the Goose February 22, 2012 at 02:46 pm
@Grady. Taking a large chunk of Grady's currently zoned Black population, which would significantly reduce the Black percentage at Grady and then sending them to an all Black underpeforming school is the issue. Not how many moves have happened. (Race is only important because there is a 60 year history of jurisprudence that looks askance at those kind of moves.) But that is not directed at your comments.
However, using your logic, let's then make the proposed -- and wrong in my mind -- Lin to Coan transfer not apply to rising middle school students. The issue is the parents who have planned for Grady. As for Coan, Coan has always been the middle school for EL and Toomer. It is a remarkably poor performing school. It may get even worse when you add lots of other students and no resources. But that has always been the deal, just as Grady has been the deal for seven years. As for addresses, Grady currently has, although phasing out, magnet program kids from out of the the Grady zone. What makes those kids more special than those APS promised could go to the District, whose parents had to deal with Crim which is a hotbed of local crime. Although located in East Lake, Drew is a popular school throught the City and draws kids from almost every elementary school zone. But it only goes to 8th grade. Although a high school has been discussed, I don't see that coming to fruition any time soon. But your idea about an Inman Annex at Coan does solve both problems.
Grady Parent February 22, 2012 at 03:44 pm
@Goose, KW and EL do not represent a "large chunk of Grady's currenly zoned Black population". There simply are not a significantly large number, as you claim. Can you substantiate that claim with data? I do know the largest number come from the Bixby Apartments. As far as breaking it down by race, there is a significant amount of Black students coming from the O4W. There is very high density apartments in the O4W. In addition, the black children of the many black administrators in APS will continue to get internal transfers to Grady. Just so you know, APS cannot use race as a factor nor free and reduced lunch.
You truly seem to care about the education of the non-active families zoned to Grady from KW and EL, but it's obvious most are using the arguement for the perceived advantages and self interest of those upcoming active familes. And, that's okay. Yes, you know the code words here. One significant issue that has not been addressed is if all of East Lake is being included in the proposal to attend Grady. Yes, I am talking about The Villages of East Lake, how were they left out to bein with and not included in the "deal". No one seems to be crying foul about that and those families from the mixed income development. Why was it acceptable to exclude The Villages of EL from Grady? This is a serious question.
Nick February 22, 2012 at 03:50 pm
Suggestions:
- Change Crim back to a "conventional" 8/9-12 High School (it's location best serves both sides of I-20) - Use the SPLOST money to buy the Pullman Yard facility off Rogers Street and turn that into a High School
dina b February 22, 2012 at 04:34 pm
We are working to improve those schools. Coan is only 30% full so more middle class and active parents will improve it very quickly. MJHS now has IB and will soon be totally new facility. Although I once shared your fears about it, I am looking forward to sending my middle schooler there when he is ready. SEACS is going to work to make our schools excellent and we need to support that.
dina b February 22, 2012 at 04:38 pm
totally agree!
IM Confused February 22, 2012 at 05:37 pm
@Good for the Goose and Grady:
Per the 2010 census - Kirkwood: tract 207 is 54% black; tract 208.01 is 46% black. Kirkwood currently has 139 students (total of all races) enrolled in APS high schools. East Lake: tract 208.02 is 64.5% black; East Lake has 99 students (total of all races) enrolled in APS high schools. Granted, the students *currently* in high school might more closely reflect the demographic balance for those neighborhoods in the 2000 census, but either way it's not a *large* percentage of the Black students at Grady (which currently has 1,468 students enrolled), as you seem to be arguing.
eastatlantamom February 22, 2012 at 06:52 pm
There is a terrible territorial nature of parents in the wannabe "Exclusive Grady Cluster" - Open your eyes! Want for others what you want for yourselves! You folks are as territorial as drug king pins! I've said this several times on other posts...but its true and only seems to show it self the more we discuss this issue.
IM Confused February 22, 2012 at 08:39 pm
@eastatlantamom - a school "cluster" is a geographically defined area of schools feeding into a high school. By definition it's a territory.
The question is how big can the territory be and still fit into the high school. Eliminate administrative transfers and Grady might be ok for a couple of years, but the coming population surge makes it impossible for ALL of the currently zoned territory to remain for the next 10 years. This is why all the plans have shown feeder schools or neighborhoods removed from the territory. With a few vocal exceptions, I don't think anyone at Grady "wants" to see any neighborhood go. You can't take the pulse of Grady by online blogs. In citing the statistics above, I was only countering the assertion by a previous poster that if East Lake and Kirkwood were to be zoned to a different high school that it somehow amounts to segregation. Racism and segregation are serious charges, and though they are both unfortunately still present in our society, those arguments should not be thrown around so loosely lest it undermine the accusation in the cases where it is warranted. To be clear, the East Lake position statement does NOT make that charge. I was responding to someone who posted earlier in these comments.

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