Should have let in the QT... now stuck with that eyesore for another few years

I would like a Savi Urban Market-type of grocery store and do think the neighborhood could support that price point. I don't think there is that much similar to it in the surrounding area.

Put the damn Quick Trip there like it should be.

I totally agree with J. H. We need a Quick Trip there. I'm tired of the price gouging at these small neighborhood gas stations along with the slew of shady characters that hang at them.

We should put a gas station there that has reasonably priced gas and a good selection of convenience items. One of those gas stations that is well lit, has clean bathrooms and maintains the lot outside so that the neighborhood looks a little cleaner. One of those gas stations that is a safe haven for runaway kids who need some help...as this section of Moreland ave is ground zero for child trafficking. On second thought though...the trail of tears coming from the few people who may be inconvenienced by this asset to the community would probably wash away all of the businesses down the hill to the south of this location. Summer is coming and I like Zesto ice cream alot...I would hate for Zesto to get washed away. So lets just leave it like it is because it's such an asset to the community in it's current state.

A quik trip or an alternative fueling station such as CNG, hydrogen, electric or some combination thereof.

Go to Kroger to get your gas, and leave those neighbors alone. Or put up your own money for something there.

Has anyone suggested putting a Quick Trip there? That would be great for the whole area. Or just put in a crappy convenience store that sells plenty of single beers, and perhaps a dumpy tax place that would have someone dress in obscene ratty costumes standing on street corners for 5 mths out of the year. Oh...wait.

If a Quik Trip is so damn good for the area why was it opposed by those neighboring the parcel, the neighborhoods, the Neighborhood Planning Unit, and the City's Board of Zoning Adjustment?

Beyond the pretty logo, corporate backing, and new architecture there is little difference between Quik Trip and any other convenience store. They sell singles, and I've seen more than one of them that dope and prostitutes were readily available at.

Discussing what would be a good product for that location is appropriate. Suggesting what the communityn has already rejected is not.

A market and good deli are much needed in OP.

It doesn't interest me that it's a convenience store. What does concern me is that QT would not have an entrance into the store off of Moreland, meaning all cars would enter from side streets, Ormewood and Hall which would undoubtedly mean much more thru traffic on Woodland Ave. Many families and many children use that route to get to the nearby schools. A busy gas station with a reported 300 cars per hour patronizing it needs to be in an asset to the community not a burden. It would make more sense to have it closer to the busy intersection of, say, Glenwood and Moreland where the buildings are just as unsightly.

A QT would have been a phenomenally bad idea for that plot in terms of traffic through small side streets, safety, pollution, and 24/7 noise level.

The QuikTrip building permit was denied because it did not meet the zoning requirements for that parcel. Concerns were raised regarding the traffic flow in general and the impact on rush hour traffic in particular. The details have to do with the width of the width of the two side streets and how traffic would move in and out And how traffic would come in off Moreland without a deceleration lane . However, those concerns were never fully investigated and addressed due to the denial of the building permit. Like most projects of any significance there are benefits and drawbacks, both of which flow from the plethora of issues involved.

It is very dangerous to adopt either of the extremes of "anything is better than what is there" or "we should wait for EXACTLY the perfect fit.". In my experience both are paths which lead to a different type of bad place.

Similarly, impinging the motives of those who have a different view may generate a sense of satisfaction in the impinged, but rarely does the impinged part change the offending view. In fact, it seems to result in that view being even more firmly held.

There are rarely pure black and white decisions in these matters

Ed Gilgor

Please subsitute "impugn" for "impinge" $&)() spellcheck!

Trader Joe's!

There are already plenty of gas stations available in the area. Most are "brand name" stations similar to QuikTrip (Shell, BP, Exxon, etc.). I fail to see how adding another gas station would do anything to improve the neighborhood. If people have problems with the current stations on Moreland, adding another "better" station won't do anything to address their issues with the current stations. If your argument was to replace a current station with a new QT, I could understand the logic. Maybe I'm missing something but I fail to see how adding another station would alleviate issues with the other stations.

I think a Savi (or something like it) would do great in that location. The neighborhood is able to support the shops in Ormewood Square; I think a higher end grocery/deli would be highly appealing to those already spending money at the Ormewood Square stores. I won't ignore the fact that some shops that opened have failed, but the shops that are there now are doing well and I believe almost all or all of the stores are being occupied at this time. The neighborhood is able to support an expensive specialty ice cream shop, so much so that they were able to open a second location. I would like to see an Ormewood Square 2.0 built where Jiffy is with a variety of local shops/services/restaurants.

WTF???? Jiffy Grocery an eyesore... if you don't like it.. MOVE. it has been a part of the neighborhood long before you ever moved here.

That corner could definitely use a cupcake store.

Would love to see a large convenience store, one that would offer fresh produce and coffee as well, built there. Yes, Marisa, there are all of two gas stations within a mile of that spot - an overpriced, run down BP and a Kroger gas station. QT offers CHEAP gas - comparable to the prices offered by Kroger. Have you noticed Marisa the LONG lines at ALL times of the day for Kroger gas? I sure have. I would therefore appreciative an alternative.

I would also like an alternative to the Ghetto Kroger. You know somewhere where i can get quality grocery items (not everything) at a good price CONVENIENTLY - maybe a CONVENIENCE STORE LIKE QUIKTRIP would be a FINE idea.

Oh but no, the typical loud mouth minority has to always ruin it for the majority.

Just geez - damn anti-capitalist, eco-radicals.

I am curious as to how many of the respondants have lived in the area more than 15 years. I see comments about the Ghetto Kroger and the run-down BP. These establishments are both well under 15 years old. They were brand new and shiny when they first were built. How soon will neighbors see the "new" QT as run-down or label it ghetto? Mandan, of Jiffy Grocery and Liberty Tax, has not been a "good neighbor" by maintaining his property. As I understand QT would lease the property from Mandan, but Mandan would still own and ultimately be responsible for the up-keep of said property. I am not sure what the best use of that property might be, but a gas station with underground tanks less than 100 feet from residential and 24 hour traffic is not appropriate. This strip of Moreland, between Glenwood and East Confederate, believe it or not is zoned mostly Residential with some light Commercial. I have waited over 25 years for something appropriate to come to this intersection. There have been improvements. I can continue to wait for intelligent improvements to the area.

@Dude in Ormewood - I just checked GasBuddy.com, the Kroger on Moreland's gas is only 4 cents more expensive than the closest QT. If you shop at Kroger you can get the 10 cent/gallon discount which actually makes QT more expensive.

I live within walking distance and I would LOVE to have an option for fresh grocery in that location. Fresh grocery does not have to mean high traffic gas station. For me it is less about being an "anti-capitalist, eco-radical" and more about caring about the quality of the neighborhood. There are lots of kids who play in their front yards on Woodland, Berne, and Ormewood. There are also lots of cyclists, runners, and dog walkers at all hours of the day. Having a high traffic 24/7 business with entrances on side streets as opposed to on Moreland would very much impact the safety of the surrounding residential streets.

I don't understand what exactly makes Kroger "ghetto"? It's no Whole Foods but I have never had any problems with the one at Edgewood or the one south on Moreland. It's always been my experience that actual grocery stores have higher quality food and more selection than gas station mini-marts. If it's actual food you are looking for a QT isn't really the solution.

Personally I do not mind Jiffy that much. I'd rather keep Jiffy until a better solution comes along than just settling for QT(or another bad for the neighborhood idea) to get Mandan out.

@ Marisa, the Kroger stores in Atlanta all have nick-names: Ghetto Kroger a.k.a. Kroghetto, Disco Kroger, Murder Kroger/Crack Kroger/Freddy Kroger, Hipster Kroger a.k.a. Emo Kroger, Gay Kroger a.k.a. Kro-Gay, Harris-Teeter Kroger, Kosher Kroger, Lunatic Kroger, and Kro-Geek.

Have fun matching names with locations

I'd like for a motorcycle shop, or a music store, or a gourmet sausage factory to open there... but it ain't a-gonna. I appreciate the rationale of those opposed to a QT, and those who claim it isn't an either /or proposition, but the reality is there are very few businesses that are willing to take on the cost of renovating that corner, and I really don't recall the opportunity cost of dismissing one being discussed at the time QT was trying to come in. Like it or not, the current state of affairs is a result of that discussion. Wish-casting for something nice to go in there isn't really going to change that.

Anyone that bought property that sits adjacent to commercial property should expect that some type of business will eventually go into that space. The QT stations that I have seen are all very clean and well run establishments. A few animated people stopped it. They also stopped a Papa Johns from going in on Moreland. The squeeky wheel gets the grease I guess. When those people drive by and see a run down eyesore like Jiffy Mart and liberty tax I hope they pat themselves on the back for doing their part the neighborhood and while you're doing that stop and get a single beer, a smoke and a prostitute. Be careful pulling out at that crazy angle though!